Ministering to the Crew and Beyond
Marty Schwebel was ministering as a pastor in California when he and his wife decided it was time to take their three sons and extend their ministry overseas. Marty had read about the need for chaplains in a Mercy Ships newsletter and he just knew this was where his family was meant to serve. They volunteered for five years on board the Africa Mercy and even though they’ve been off ship for over ten years, the impact of their time on board will last a lifetime.
In this episode Marty shares about the rewarding work he did as a chaplain on board. Marty explains the opportunities he had to share his gifts and talents on board and how the deep connections with people are what he treasures most from his time volunteering.
You will be encouraged by Marty’s pastoral heart and by the work he and his wife are doing today as a result from their time with Mercy Ships.
For more about Mary’s current ministry, go to: www.newroadsretreats.com
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New Mercies Podcast Transcript
Welcome to the New Mercies, a podcast by Mercy Ships, where we’ll take you behind the scenes and on board our incredible hospital ships that are transforming lives all over the world. We invite you to join us each week as we sit down with our crew, patients, volunteers, and partners to hear their stories of life-changing hope and healing.
Today on New Mercies, Marty Schwebel is our guest and he has a word of encouragement for us all. Even though Marty has been off the ship now for over 10 years, the impact of his time there will last a lifetime. Here to share with us his Mercy Ships journey, this is Marty Schwebel.
Raeanne Newquist:
Marty, welcome to the podcast.
Marty Schwebel:
Thank you. Good to be here.
Raeanne:
Marty, you have been off the ship, you served on the Africa Mercy, but your time ended on over 10 years ago. But we all know that the impacts from your time really last a lifetime. So we are excited to hear a little bit about your time on board and how it’s impacted what you’re doing today. So as we get started, why don’t you tell us a little bit about your background and what you were doing prior to Mercy Ships?
Marty:
Well, prior to Mercy Ships, actually, in my 20s, I was studying to be an opera singer. And I had gone through music school and graduate program at UT Austin and I was on my way to sing in opera. I got married in 1993 and got my masters in 1995 and that was a period of time where there was a lot of unknown because you know, having a career in music is just really hard. And I was pursuing it full force. And then when we had our first child, I realized that I needed to try to find a profession that would provide for the family a little bit better, which is funny because then I became a pastor shortly after that, which is not necessarily something that that you can adequately provide for your family. I had worked in the tech world between and during my time studying opera, I was making an income by working in in tech, then my church asked if I would start a choir. So I did that. And it was a great couple of years running the choir at the church. And then as the church saw that I had pastoral gifts through the choir, they asked me to come on full time as an associate pastor. So we did that all the way up until we left for the ship in 2009. So it’s kind of this path of opera singer to tech world to pastor and then to working on the ship as a chaplain.
Raeanne:
Where did you first hear about Mercy Ships? How did you guys go from, you know, being a pastor in a church to chaplaincy on a ship? And by that time you had more than just one child, right?
Marty:
Yes, we had three sons when we moved on to the ship. I first heard about Mercy Ships when I met my wife, Catherine. And she had been on the ship in the late 80s, early 90s, and had training on the ship and she became friends with a man that we’re still friends with today. And we started together as a married couple, we started supporting him, just sending him financial support. And through that we would get the regular newsletters from him and from Mercy Ships. And so we just kind of kept up from with Mercy Ships for most of the time prior to going on the ship.
Raeanne:
So then what was it that caused you to say I want to go to I want to take my family and do this?
Marty:
Well, I had been a pastor for you know, almost a decade, we had always wanted to do something overseas with our kids. We looked at all these different options to kind of travel around the world and come up with some idea to be able to take them overseas and to experience life outside of America. And so we really looked for an opportunity. And during that time, we received one of the main Mercy Ships newsletters, which had a little article and it featured the international chaplain at the time Patrick and Diana Bergstrum and it was just a little article about them and their life on the ship and how they met and got married. And it was just a really moving story. But at the very end, there was just one sentence and it said, Mercy Ships is looking for good people to fill roles in the chaplaincy. And immediately I called to Catherine in another room and I said, we’re going to be living on a ship and Africa. When I read that statement, it was just the coolest moment because it just felt like a moment where God really spoke to my heart and said, Yep, this is where you’re going. And I was like, okay, but I need to apply and interview and do all that sort of stuff. And immediately, we called our friend that we’d been supporting and got in touch and went through the whole process to get on the ship. They wanted us to come ASAP, because they needed someone. I read that article on February 5 2009. And on January 1 2010, we walked on to the Africa Mercy on New Year’s Day. Like 11 months later!
Raeanne:
Oh, my goodness. How long did you guys serve on board?
Marty:
We served on board for five years and years that would include being at ISC and being off ship in South Africa during that period where new generators were being installed, we were there for five years.
Raeanne:
Wow. Well, tell us a little bit about your department. And what was your role on board.
Marty:
I came onto the ship first, just a side note, and worked in the dining room. So I was the dining room steward for three months, and that was by design. They said, why don’t you just serve in in the dining room, or you can serve in the IT department that since you have IT background. And it’s funny, I chose dining room over it. And so I worked in the dining room for three months. And it was honestly one of my favorite times on the ship, because I got to serve the crew. It was a perfect place for a new chaplain to serve, to get to know people. And so after three months of serving people food, then people would come to me and ask for support. So my role as a chaplain, primarily, I was in charge of worship, since I have a music background, since I lead choir and, and have this opera background, my role was to organize worship. At the time it was being organized and run by the head of HR, because she had a gift for music and she was a worship leader. And so I got to coordinate worship for five years on the ship and also singing and leading worship. And wow, that was honestly the best probably one of the — I’ll keep saying that was the best part, and then I’ll say something else was the best part! But leading worship with an international crew and being able to have African worship one night, being able to have, modern worship another night, being able to mix genres of music. And I remember we had a fiddle player from Scotland and he just showed up one day, I think he was a doctor, and he would play fiddle. I still remember those times where we would just ask him to just give a concert, and people would just come and he would just play fiddle for hours. Just meeting all these musicians from all over the world was really great.
I also did a lot of counseling and support of families of marriages and individuals. Now I’m a Marriage and Family Therapist, which I started studying for a while I was on the ship and got my license after we left. And but at the time I was doing a lot of pastoral counseling. And it was really a wonderful part of the experience. And especially being able to have a cross cultural experience and work with cross cultural couples and people from different backgrounds is really challenging and was a lot of great learning in the area of counseling. And those were the main roles and of course, we were very involved in setting up services every week and setting up Easter and Christmas and all these wonderful experiences. We would do on board retreats where we’d have a weekend retreat and just have all these experiences in different rooms, Stations of the Cross and all sorts of different things, prayer rooms and things for people to do. And my wife Catherine was is kind of our chaplain creative, is how I would refer to her. And to this day, there’s still things on the ship that she had her hand in creating — banners and paintings. And she was our creative person. And so she would create this beautiful backdrop for a service for Easter or Christmas. And we just had a really good team at that time. Because of being able to work together, having someone with creative power and have someone who could do music and have someone who could come up with a message we — had a really fun and good chaplaincy team during the time we were on board.
Raeanne:
I love to hear how crew get to use their passions and their gifts and talents in all sorts of different ways. You have a doctor who plays the fiddle, and so he comes and gets to play or, like your wife on board gets to use her artistic skills and talents and express their talents. And it’s so cool to see that all coming together and happen.
Marty:
Yeah, exactly. We had another guy who could literally play any Beatles song, sing and play on the guitar. You just name a Beatles song and he would play it. That was fun.
Raeanne:
There are a lot of incredible nurses and doctors and surgeons on board. And we hear all the time, even on the podcast, about how they’re doing incredible things to transform the lives of the patients. But we’ve also had some of them on the podcast and they’ve shared that in the O R or down in the wards there were moments when they couldn’t really do anything but pray and to call upon the supernatural for a miracle. I know our chaplaincy also gets involved in the work that’s going on in the hospital — did you witness some of this as a chaplain?
Marty:
Yes, so many times, I used to go down into the hospital to support some of the administrative parts of the hospital because they would have an office and I could knock on their door and have coffee with them. And so that was a great way to sort of spend time with the medical crew. But I’ll never forget times when we would hear that beep and the captain would come on the intercom. And every time you hear that, of course living on the ship, you brace for something, the captain doesn’t just get on the intercom for anything. And so you brace yourselves. And a lot of times it would be a call that there’s someone on the surgery table right now and they need blood and they would call the crew to donate blood. Or they would just say we need to pray for this person. People on the ship above the hospital are all busy bees just going about their work. We’re all just doing the work of the ship and keeping the ship running. And everything stops, everyone is given permission to stop, everyone is actually being told to stop and pray. And sometimes the captain would actually pray on the intercom as well. And everyone would just grab another person and sit down at a table or in the stairway and just start praying. And that was just such a great way to be involved. Because sometimes when you’re non medical crew, there’s sort of this inner jealousy — you hear the medical people talk about the great things that are happening and you’re like, ah, I’m not there. But you are there. But man when they encourage us to pray and to get involved with what’s going on, you really know that you’re there.
Raeanne:
Definitely. Well, I know you had mentioned that sometimes the captain would come on and not even call for prayer for medical things, but just other things going on. Whether it be in the country or on the ship. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Marty:
Yeah, this happened in at least two of the five countries that we were in. The captain would come on and say there is civil unrest, an election was happening and there’s civil unrest in the city and we just need to pray for the city. And that was powerful because of the fact that we’re docked in this country in the city, and that God has given us an opportunity to pray for that country, that moment. And it was such a wonderful thing to be a part of. Sometimes it was taxi strikes or civil unrest. And it was just a great opportunity and I just love that our captain did that. I love that, that it was something that that was brought to our attention because we would have never known that it was happening at the time.
Raeanne:
What were the countries that you served in?
Marty:
We served in Togo twice. We were in South Africa, not on a medical mission. But there, that we actually still did ministry in South Africa, just not medical ministry. And then we came up to Sierra Leone. Then we went to Congo or Guinea, and then to Congo Brazzaville.
Raeanne:
Now, you had your whole family on board, you had three sons and your wife on board. What was that like for you guys as a family?
Marty:
It was very good, fun, amazing. It was also challenging, because, you know, we’ve got three boys — at the time we left they were 7, 10, and 12, and they spent five years of their life on the ship and so it was definitely challenging. We were wanting them to really be a part of the whole process and I remember going to them when we first thought we wanted to go, and we talked to them about it. And we asked them to pray and one of my sons said, I’ll go on two conditions, one, that I get to have a pet monkey, and two that we get to adopt a little sister. And we ended up not being able to fulfill either of those promises. But that was kind of funny that was his conditions. There’s so many memories, and so many great times and many friends that they made. And even today, they have friends that they’re still in contact with from the ship. It was quite an experience. We wanted to be able to go overseas to experience other cultures, but we also really wanted to experience what our faith means when it’s put to the test when it’s in action. We wanted them to know what it means to follow Jesus, this is what we do. And that’s what we wanted to show them. And I feel that that mission was accomplished.
Raeanne:
What was the highlight for you in your job?
Marty:
Honestly, it was just connecting with people because as a therapist now and as pastor before, I just love people. And I love connecting with people. And I love and I believe that connecting with people is actually connecting through their pain and suffering. And that if you can, connect to people through pain, because often we try to just say how are you? How’s it going? Oh, I’m fine. I remember when we were in Africa, there was an African man who talked about the people that put on plastic smiles. And I dug into that with him and said, there’s people here and there that have plastic smiles. And I realized what he was saying is that we kind of present to the world in a fake way, and not in an authentic way. And so I feel like my job as a chaplain on the ship, people would come and entrust me with deep things. And I know as a pastor and as a chaplain on the ship, and now as a therapist, there is no greater joy and honor than to be trusted with someone’s pain and joy and the happy things in their life, but especially the pain and the suffering. There’s no greater joy in my life than to experience that now. Having said that, I loved the music too. I loved doing all the services. I’ll never have another Easter like the five Easters I had with Mercy Ships. All of that stuff was amazing. But ultimately it was the connection with people being able to be at that level with people was just an honor.
Raeanne:
I think the beauty too is that those relationships last a lifetime. The Mercy Ships family is a strong family that transcends continents and countries. How did you see lives changed while you were on the Africa Mercy?
Marty:
There was a doctor who came on board, he was not a Christian, wasn’t following Jesus. He came to serve. And we had heard about him and I met him and just saw him engaging with community and saw him all around. In fact, I was thinking, man, he is just all over the place. He’s everywhere. It’s just one of those crew members that you just see, they sign up for every extracurricular thing, and they’re in the cafe, drink coffee, and they’re just engaging with everyone. I thought, man, this guy is really an extrovert and I got to know him a little bit. He was just a really joyful guy. And honestly, I would have never known he was not a believer, a follower of Jesus, because he looked like a follower. But he came to me one day and he said, Marty, you’re the chaplain and I want to know how to follow Jesus, I want to become a believer, I want to be a Christian, and so what do I do? I remember we came to his cabin and we just had this kind of ceremony. And he wanted communion. He asked, specifically, I’d like to take communion. And so we sat with him, and we did the communion and we talked about what it means to accept Jesus. And he did. It was just this beautiful moment, and I’ll never forget it. And he’s been on my heart, you know, for all these years, just thinking of him coming to Africa to serve to use his education and his skills. But what he got was even better.
Raeanne:
I love that. You just never know, the transformations that are going to take place. And I’ve said this so many times on the podcast, but I’ll say it again, it’s not just the lives of the patients that are transformed, but any person who steps foot on one of our vessels, they’re just never the same again.
Marty:
There’s another life that my wife and I saw really changed that was so powerful for both of us. We went to the market in Togo and we met this man, we walked into his shop, and he was really sweet with a very gentle smile. And we got to talking to him and got to know him and notice that his vision wasn’t that good. And I am obviously not a doctor, but I could tell that he had cataracts or something like that. And we told him about the eye program on the ship. Then one day we were walking off the ship and we saw Komlavi on the dock. And we’re like, Komlavi, what are you doing, and he goes, I came to get my surgery! And at the time, I thought I am going to be in trouble right now because I didn’t tell him to come to the ship, I just said we’ll give you information. And I think he just came to the ship thinking he was going to walk up and get his eye surgery. But what was really cool in that moment, the eye team was actually having their screening off ship, and right in that moment, where he said I want to get the surgery for my eyes, there was a car driving by, a Mercy Ships vehicle, and it was filled with the eye team. And we waved at them to stop them. And we said Komlavi wants to go to the screening. So he just jumped in the car with the eye team and they took him to the screening, and he got screened and he got his surgery, and he got his vision back! And it was just so much fun to go back to his shop. We went to the shop a lot because we like to shop and it was just so much fun going back and the relationship continued and it deepened obviously. And then we started to learn that he had a daughter who wanted to go to school and needed funds to do it. And so a lot of the crew all got together and we helped his daughter pay her school fees, her college fees, and she was able to become a beautician and hairdresser. And we were able to be a part of that. And, and so it was just, it’s just so it’s wonderful how Mercy Ships is a medical mission, but there’s so much more that goes on in terms of, of helping people and being a part of their lives and becoming friends. And I still to this day, I guarantee you today I will have two messages pop up in my facebook messenger that are from two different men in two different countries in Africa, who literally messaged me every day to ask how I’m doing, how is my family and what’s going on, and them telling me what they’re doing. And me telling them what I’m doing and then praying for me and me praying for them every day that happens, I can guarantee it. And that’s because of the relationships that were formed. I love that those relationships are priceless. I know people in Africa, I have friends in Africa. And I didn’t have that before.
Raeanne:
What a great story. I love that. Marty, how was your life impacted and transformed because of your time on board? I mean, you’ve been off the ship for 10 years now. But as you reflect back, what stands out most what impacted you most?
Marty:
Well, you’ll probably hear people say this, and the years I spent on Mercy Ships were the best years of my life. And when I first moved off the ship, I wouldn’t necessarily have said that. You know, we were tired and we were struggling, struggling to just get back into this culture we live in now and trying to honestly just make ends meet to pay for a home and for our lives.
As years passed, and now this year we’re officially empty nesters, all of our sons have moved out and we’re together just the two of us, I’ve really been thinking about Mercy Ships a lot. And really looking back on that five years as truly five of the best years of my life, where I felt like I was kind of operating all cylinders were going — there’s the sense of using all of my skill, all of my talent, my administrative skills, my musical skills, my heart, my counseling skills, like everything. The ship was a place where I literally could just let all my love and my gifts just kind of flow. That didin’t happened every day perfectly. But when I look back on it, I realize that’s what moved me the most is that I could truly use what God gave me for other people. I miss it. I definitely miss it. And today I’m using my gifts and skills, thankfully, but man those years were fantastic.
Raeanne:
Absolutely. I can relate. I get it. I know that you now have an amazing ministry, as you mentioned, you are getting to use a lot of your gifts today as well. Tell us what you’re currently doing and how people can get involved.
Marty:
Yeah, as I said, I came back and I finished my marriage and family therapist degree and got licensed in California and in Texas and started a private practice which is completely full. And when COVID happened it is when I filled up completely and I’ve been full ever since. Because there’s such a need for mental health services. But during COVID something else happened that was kind of a miracle. Well, I don’t think you can say kind of a miracle, it’s just a miracle or it’s not. For some reason we just got this itch to find a place out in the country, and a place where we could practice our gift of hospitality, our desire to help others just heal and grow, and through hospitality, through having a beautiful experience, a beautiful meal and to be in nature. And so we started looking for a place and we live in California where the real estate is incredibly expensive, but God does the miracle part. God led us to this property out in Gold Country, California, where gold was first discovered in 1800s and we found this 10 acre property. There was an amazing deal and we bought it and we started coming out here every weekend and just working and working to restore this property and to bring it to a place where we can have guests and what we decided at the same time start a nonprofit. And this has very much relevance to the ship, because we decided we wanted to create a nonprofit because we wanted to do personal spiritual nature retreats for people who have compassion fatigue, suffering from compassion fatigue or burnout. And the reason why that pertains to the ship is because we decided there’s four, what we call pillars of our society of most societies around the world — medical professionals, people who work in medicine, they’re pillars, and all four of these pillars suffer from compassion fatigue and burnout, and will often leave their professions. So medical professionals are at the top of that list, because we spent five years on a hospital ship, in a hospital, ministering and getting to know all these amazing medical professionals. So that’s one pillar. Another is first responders, military veterans. Another is teachers. And, and the fourth area, which also pertains to the ship very much is international workers, missionaries, pastors, ministers, people who work and people who are caring for other people, including chaplains, we wanted to create this experience where people would come and have this retreat in nature. We have a whole program that we that we have, where people come out and have a silent retreat and it’s just an amazing experience. And we’ve been doing it since early 2021. We’ve done about 10, retreats now. The other distinctive of the reason why we created a nonprofit, is I really wanted to say to the participants — someone would come to me and say, Marty, I’m burned out and I want to quit. That’s exactly the kind of person we’re looking for. They’re burned out and they want to quit, and I want to be able to say to that, in that moment, we have a place for you, and it’s not going to cost you anything. And so the nonprofit raises money so that we can provide these retreats for free. And the only expense really is the participant getting to our property. And then everything is provided — meals and the retreat experience and lodging and, and that’s what we wanted to offer. And a big reason why is I had that same experience when I was a pastor before Mercy Ships. I was burned out, suffering from compassion fatigue, and I went to this place out in the country, that essentially is very much like what we’re doing. And they were ministering to pastors who are burning out. And it was all covered by their nonprofit. And it was an experience that really helped me to stay in as a pastor. And then as a chaplain in Mercy Ships. Without that experience, most likely, I would have left the profession and gone back to IT or something else, but because someone took the time to minister to me to care for the caretaker, it made a huge difference. And that’s what we want to do. That’s how we want to spend kind of the rest of our days on earth. We want to do that because Catherine and I both love to provide hospitality to people.
Raeanne:
Yeah, well, I can say firsthand you do it very well, because, you know, you mentioned reflecting now on your time on the ship as really some of the best years of your life, well, my husband and I can both completely attest to that. We had one short year because of COVID. It kind of cut our commitment short, but it really was the best year of our lives as a family and coming back was extremely difficult. And even after two years, we continued to struggle with that transition and the loss of a dream and the loss of that community. And we were recipients of the extravagant gift of getting to come to your beautiful ranch and you and your wife hosted us for a weekend retreat and I can honestly say having that carved out, intentional time in the beautiful setting of your property along with your hospitality, it absolutely transformed us in our journey of grieving our Mercy Ships experience and moving into to what God has for us next. And so I would just bear witness and give testimony to the extravagant work that you and your wife are doing. How can people listening get involved? Or really, how can they give as well, so that more people can benefit from this incredible gift?
Marty:
Thank you for saying that, by the way, it was great having you there. And as you know, when Mercy Ships people get together, anywhere in the world, it’s just a magical, beautiful experience. So it was just as good for us as it was for you. I think you were ministering to us as well, just being able to be with Mercy Shippers. But to answer your question, how to help, like with any nonprofit, it’s just financial help. And if I kind of look at it as either financial help or actual hands on help, as well, you know, if you ever want to come out for a weekend and have building experience, I’ve got lots of projects that need to be done, and trails that need maintaining! But essentially, just since we’re offering these retreats for no cost to the participant, we need to raise the money to cover those costs. And so there’s definitely an opportunity for that. Another way, actually is to refer people to us, if you know someone who really needs a retreat, and just recently, someone was referred to us, and by someone else who I had a brief conversation with and they referred a nurse to us, and I’m so excited to be able to provide an opportunity for that person. So if you know people refer them to us, we’d be happy to do as many retreats for Mercy Shippers as possible, because that’s always a double blessing,
Raeanne:
How can we get in contact with you? Do you have a website? Or how can how can people get more information and give or refer people?
Marty:
Yeah, the best way is our website: newroadsretreats.com. On there, there’s pictures of our ranch and the experience, there’s a giving donation button, there’s all that stuff there. And there’s also contact information or you can contact me by phone and email on the website.
Raeanne:
Perfect. We’ll also put those links in the show notes so anyone can refer to those at any time. It’s really an incredible work that you and your wife are doing. And it’s a gift. And I love how your experience with Mercy Ships just really kind of put together so many of your gifts and talents and you’re able to use that today to continue really doing God’s work and refreshing and reviving the people of God for the kingdom of God. You know, Marty, you have such great gifts of caring for people and as you’ve mentioned, you’ve done it as a pastor and as a chaplain, and now as a therapist, and we really are at a time in our world, I want to say post pandemic, but I don’t know, we’re still kind of in it a little bit, I guess, but people are discouraged. People are down and we’re filled with a bunch of negativity. How would you encourage people today?
Marty:
Yeah, it’s a time where there’s so much division. I feel like we live in a time where there’s division. It’s so disturbing, because of what I witnessed on the ship is people from all different denominations, and all different streams of Christianity coming and non-Christians, even like the doctor I spoke about, that all come together for a single purpose, a vision. So Mercy Ships brings people together, even though there’s division amongst all people, and there always will be. But there’s something about the ship that brings people together. And I think that’s what I miss about the ship the most is that I remember when we were on the ship, I remember occasionally I would read the news and look back at home and there was something going on in some big drama or divisive political debate. And I remember having this feeling like I feel so much safer here on the ship. So hearing about things going on at home and feeling like there’s so much division in the world, but I felt safe on the ship, I felt like there was something I that I could plug into, that was encouraging. And so I, I just want to encourage all of the crew, particularly the crew on the ships, but also in all the offices around the world, because as we know, Mercy Ships is this massive organization. I just want to encourage people, I feel like as a former Chaplain on the ship, my heart still is for the people who volunteer on Mercy Ships. And so I just want, wherever you’re at, whether you’re on the ship, or in an office somewhere around the world, I just want to say that God is with you. I know you know that. We know God is with us, he Emmanuel, God with us. But I just want you to hear that God is with you, and He loves you. And he sees you. He sees what you’re doing. And he sees who you are, not just what you’re doing, but who you are. Because I can remember meeting people on the ship who would struggle with, I’m not doing enough, I’m not doing enough surgeries, or I’m not doing enough, you know, here in my job, and I want to do more. And I feel like that’s a problem around the world that people feel like they’re not enough, that they’re always trying to do more to become that perfect person or enough so God will love them or other people will love them. And I just want to say to the crew and to all the people in Mercy Ships that you are enough. You are enough. God loves you. He is with you. And he is proud of you.
Raeanne:
Wow. Thank you for that. Marty, thank you so much for sharing with us today, a little bit of Your Mercy Ships journey. It’s been a joy and an inspiration and we encourage everybody to go check out newroadsretreats.com and find out more about the ministry that Marty and his wife Catherine are doing.
Marty:
Thank you. It’s been a pleasure.
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